Ronnie - I assume that your fallacious claims betray an underlying lack of understanding as opposed to constituting a deliberate attempt to mislead. On one level, you are absolutely correct when you say that nothing has changed. The reality is that nationalists have never wanted triumphalist marches in their areas. My mummy said she used to watch the marches back in the early 60's and that they were not contentious back then. That is not to say that partition or subservience to the Loyal Orders was ever accepted. What we have seen in the recent past is paramilitary banners and displays at marches. We have seen the memory of massacred Nationalist civilians insulted by bandsmen on the Ormeau Road. Only a couple of months ago we saw a group of bandsmen perform their wee sectarian song and dance routine outside a Catholic church. We don't want that stuff. We have never wanted that stuff - not in the past, not now and not in the future. You would not want it if someone was doing that to you either; it is not as if we are being unreasonable in rejecting such behaviour. Do unto others as you would have done unto you and all that. If your 'culture' is ever to be accepted again, as I am led to believe it was in the past in Belfast and still is in Donegal and elsewhere in the Free State, then you have to drop your siege mentality. I doubt a single Nationalist would object if you walked around your own areas and very few would mind if you marched around mixed areas with no Union Jacks, no UVF/UDA flags, no sectarian music, etc. The Loyal Orders are supposed to be Christian - why not play hymns and wave your Orange flags and banners alone? You could have all that - you only need to ask yourselves what you REALLY want. If it is to march around the place - sit down with your fellow Irishmen and work something out. The Parades Commission could easily become a thing of the past in the near future. If, in all honesty, what you really want is to antagonise your fellow Irishmen and score mini 'victories' over them by getting to do something against their wishes, then they are never going to welcome you and you can look forward to many more years of anguish at the hands of the Parades commission, police and Nationalist residents.

youre a joke nigel dodds not a word about the behaviour of the march on saturday and it return march. now you want to talk because there is another parade in september and also sinn fein the mini unionists theyre also rushing to talk why dont you invite sinn fein to march along with the parade im sure they will feel quite at home you are all disgusting.

All I read here are a bunch of pathetic excuses to somehow justify the actions of morons. The PC said no but instead of just accepting it and getting about their business, the band and those idiots have to kick off. Sorry but that doesn't wash. Had it been the republicans the uproar from some people on this website would be huge. As a protestant who is glad to have nothing to do with the OO/parades etc and all the guff that comes with it, I find these people to be a huge embarassment. If you want to march then do so in areas in which you are welcomed and not in contentious areas. Its pretty bloody simple. If you can't act like a responsible adult then do away with ALL parades. Year in, year out its the same tired excuses and finger pointing. So if the other side do it does that make it ok for you to do the same? Pathetic excuse and reasoning but you can't justify that kind of stupidity to the normal folk in this country that want to move on, away from all this sectarian tit-for-tat crap. And for someone to use the term "ethnic cleansing"......dear god almighty. Stop being such a drama queen. Do your homework on the Balkans during the 1990's to see what the term actually means.

in reply to norman 'd the pc or the protesters did not cause this what can only be called disgraceful behaviour the orange lodges and the blacks have marched for years passed st patrick's church without any interference but the behaviour of the band on the 12th and then again on saturday just goes to show that certain members think they are above the law and can do what they want regardless and i agree with wise up in belfast ordinary protestants and catholics are sick of this type of behaviour and just want to get on with their lifes

to reply to comments on my post answer me this how old are the loyal orders ,how many years have they walked this ord .but only now in 2012 its a problem ,dont try and say the area has changed in fact there is less housing in the area than ever .in fact there are only a few flats above shops in fact its a very run down area over half the buikdings are empty.,this a new flash point made to chip away at loyal orders and our way off life ,we have tryed to stick to so called parades commision rules ,but when we see parades kile dungiven going on with no request from commision and guns being waved in this parade ,enough is enough we will have no more just watch and see when we walk with out speaking to anyone