Same sex marriage motion defeated

Published Monday, 01 October 2012
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A Stormont assembly motion to introduce same sex marriage in Northern Ireland has been rejected by MLAs.

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The proposal, which if passed would have put pressure on the Executive to examine legislation surrounding marriage in the region, was opposed by the vast majority of Unionists.

Green Party leader Stephen Agnew, whose party jointly tabled the motion with Sinn Féin, said same sex couples were being denied fundamental rights under the current civil partnership laws.

The motion stressed that religious organisations would still be able to define and observe marriage as they saw fit, but said same sex couples should be allowed to have their unions recognised as marriage in the eyes of the state.

"That is why I am calling on all the other political parties in the Assembly to support my motion on equal marriage so that we send out a clear message that discrimination against any group in our society cannot and will not be tolerated," Mr Agnew commented.

Bronwyn McGahan, Sinn Féin equality spokesperson said she was extremely disappointed that the motion failed.

"Equality threatens no one and this motion today would only have given members of the LGBT community the same rights including legal rights as other married couples."

The motion also called directly on Stormont Finance Minister Sammy Wilson to introduce legislation to guarantee that couples of any sex or gender identity received equal benefits under the law.

But Mr Wilson said there was no widespread desire for change in the legislation surrounding same sex marriage in Northern Ireland.

"Can I at the very outset of this debate make clear my position as minister: I am opposed to gay marriage, I would have no intention of bringing forward any legislation to this House to facilitate gay marriage and I believe that in doing that I do reflect what is the general view in this society in Northern Ireland," he said

Ulster Unionist MLA Basil McCrea, who was one of three Unionists to vote in favour of the motion, said he did not understand why the DUP had made such a petition "on a matter that should have been a free vote".

Mr McCrea argued that marriage is not an "exclusively Christian concept" and has changed over the years.

By society accepting equal marriage, it does not mean everyone has to agree with the practice. Many Christians and followers of other religions may not 'agree' with every marriage that takes place.

Basil McCrea

The motion needed the majority of nationalist and unionist votes to pass, after the DUP lodged a Petition of Concern to the Assembly authorities - a process used for contentious issues.

It meant the motion was unlikely to pass, however if normal voting processes had taken place it still would have failed after the substantial Unionist 'no' vote.

TUV leader Jim Alistair said the motion represented the "perversion of marriage".

"This is not an issue of equality," he said.

"This is an issue of the perversion of marriage. Marriage historically for very good reason has been long defined as the union of one man and one woman and any society should be slow to tinker with and alter the bedrock of society which has served it so well."

But Alliance leader David Ford said his party supported the motion of civil marriage for same sex couples.

"At present civil partnerships are not equal to marriage," he said.

"However, Alliance Party policy on this issue is that there must be protection for churches and faith groups, and for clergy, that they would not be forced to carry out same sex marriage ceremonies or have ceremonies performed on their property. Today's motion was consistent with that position."

He argued that Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights gives protection for religious freedom which would prevent faith groups from being forced to carry out same sex marriages.

John O'Doherty, chair of the Equal Marriage NI campaign, said the LGBT community "have always had to fight harder and longer than our brothers and sisters in other jurisdictions to ensure our rights and we will not be disheartened by today's setback."

"We will continue to have this debate across Northern Ireland because we know that this is how we will change hearts and minds. We know that, as ever, there are many obstacles in our path to equality but we can only go forwards, never back.

"There is no doubt in my mind that equal marriage will become a reality in Northern Ireland," he added.

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Patrick in Derry wrote (217 days ago):
Same-sex marriage is about giving same-sex love the same support as heterosexual love. The more support there is for relationships the better. Even if same-sex marriage is not real marriage, does it really matter that much? Who cares as long as it works or has a chance to work? Refusing equal support to same sex and heterosexual marriage is a very toxic form of homophobia and cruel. We are led to believe that marriage is defined as the union of a man and woman. We are not told that marriage is considered potential until the man and woman have sexual intercourse at least once. Then it is consummated or made real. This is degradingly putting more stress on sexual potency and a particular kind of sex than on love and happiness. Its over legalistic and sets a biological criterion of morality instead of considering human happiness and love. It discriminates against straight couples who do not like "normal" sex. Same sex marriage changes this archaic nonsense and allows for accepting different forms of sex as consummation. Thus it IMPROVES equality for heterosexual couples. With same sex marriage, there is no longer any need to hold that the marriage of a man who lost his penis in childhood is only a cosmetic marriage.
doire abu in doire wrote (228 days ago):
emmmm I am Lauren, it is not moral for same sex couples to enter into a relationship of a sexual or intimate kind. I am not judging, it is not my place. God says it in the Bible, it is there for all to read. God has given each and every one of us the grace, in varying ways and measures, to understand Him and it is up to us to respond and act to God's will. If you are a man and you want to be intimate with another man, then thisthe cross that you must endure. His Son endured much more suffering for our sins for our salvation than the suffering that would have to be endured by a man resisting the temptation of being intimate with another man. Satan is temptation, temptation to ignore God's will; resist and you will be rewarded
Lauren in Antrim wrote (229 days ago):
It is not about "equality". Marriage and civil partnership are the same thing legally. The difference is, the word "marriage" is the religious ceremony, which seen in every culture on this planet, is for man and woman. Whereas "civil partnership" is not, they are not "married" as "married" is being wed through god. Why do gay people legally wed have to fight for this terminology of "marriage". It is political correctness gone mad. Nobody is denying the legal and moral right of same sex partnership, just not "marriage".
doire abu in doire wrote (229 days ago):
Hurrah! For once this country is doing something for the morality of the people. Same sex marriages, relationships, sexual activity, it is all wrong. Read the Bible, it says so. We are living in a morally corrupt society, world even, where money and status are held in higher regard than God, where false gods are worshipped, and the warnings of the Bible are routinely ignored. It is not easy to follow the way of Christ but persevere and be true to God and you will be rewarded with eternal happiness. Forsake the luxury and pleasures of this world and be strong against the wickedness and snares of the devil for they are not worth the risk of losing the rewards of Heaven or enduring the pains of hell. Trust in prayer, trust in God and you will find you need nothing else
Beenie in Armagh wrote (229 days ago):
"God bless N.Ireland ,God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve ,how could God tell them to go forward and multiply eh, guess we wouldn't be here today .God says it's an abomination for male to lay with male and female with female ,sin is sin and God,s word is still the same ,it never changes,they're will be another Soddom and Gomorrah." I wondered how long it would take someone to trot out the "God created Adam and Eve..." line. I hope you enjoyed your rant, Stan. It's touching that you're so worried about our mortal souls when you're many miles away in the sinless U S of A.
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