Loyalist band 'played Beach Boys'

Published Monday, 16 July 2012
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The loyalist band shown to have stopped outside a Catholic church in Belfast during a Twelfth of July parade and played music while marching in circles has said the location of the halt was unintentional.

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Video footage emerged of a Shankill Road flute band, the Young Conway Volunteers, playing outside St Patrick's on Donegall Street on Thursday morning.

It was filmed by a Sinn Féin activist and caused concern within the party as singing by supporters suggested that the song being played was the sectarian Famine Song.

"Any singing was coming from supporters and not the band itself. The tune we were playing is actually a Beach Boys song titled Sloop John B," the YCV Flute Band statement, issued on Monday, said.

"The singing of words that some supporters associated with the tune the band was playing at the time was perhaps unfortunate and may just have been a by-product of the exuberance of the day of celebration of our culture and history."

Whatever directions may be advised by those within the Loyal Orders during future engagements will be unreservedly honoured by the YCV Band.

Young Conway Volunteers

The statement also claimed it was "pure chance" that a delay in the parade meant that the band came to a halt outside the church and added that continuing to play while circling was standard practice.

The band said the church "had its doors closed and there was certainly no act of worship going on at the time" and added: "In fact, many of our members in the band only realised that we had been playing outside the chapel when it was reported by the local media."

But local Sinn Féin councillor Conor Maskey, who witnessed what happened, said the band had behaved "provocatively".

He added: "The Orange Order needs to explain to the St Patrick's congregation why a loyalist band taking part in their parade played sectarian tunes and behaved provocatively outside St Patrick's Church."

According to YCV Flute Band, a number of PSNI officers were on duty and saw there was "no outward animosity" directed towards the chapel.

But police confirmed they were studying a significant amount of footage in relation to the incident.

"If any criminal offences are detected, a full and thorough investigation will be carried out," a PSNI spokesperson said.

Police also intervened when it appeared that two band members approached the person filming the parade and attacked him.

"Several of our band did take exception to being filmed and having their children filmed (as young as three-years-old) by what is believed a member of a hostile republican gathering, perceivably for some untoward purpose, before marshals did approach to ask him to stop filming," the band said.

The band also accused police of doing nothing to help defuse the situation and said those parading had already been subjected to sectarian abuse from onlookers.

The statement expressed regret at "how events had been portrayed", but added: "If the YCV Shankill Road may have given offence in this instance, we would certainly apologise to those in authority or engagement for any act that perceivably may have brought discredit on the colours which we wear or the historic YCV title which we proudly bear."

A Belfast County Grand Lodge spokesperson told UTV that the Orange Order reviews all parades and would take any issues into account in that review.

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Ulysses32 in Belfast wrote (299 days ago):
Incidentally, as far as the Orange Halls are concerned, I believe I addressed that on the appropriate thread. We could do tit-for-tat if you like. I could bring in the burning of tricolours, effigies of the Pope, Polish flags, baby coffins (in refeence to the Quinn family), sick references to suicide victims. Arson attacks on GAA grounds. Intimidation and violence toward the Roma community. UVF attacks in the Short Strand as displayed in June 2011.....It could go on and on yet you and others still find it hard to drag yourselves to condemn the blatant actions of others from within your own community while trying to present some faux "holier than thou" temperament.
Ulysses32 in Belfast wrote (299 days ago):
Read point 19 of the following judgement http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2009HCJAC59.html
s magowan in belfast wrote (300 days ago):
Ulysses,all they did was play one tune which could not be classed as sectarian or otherwise and the whole thing lasted a few minutes before they resumed their march,the place of worship was not visably descrecated unlike that of the Orange Halls situated in Clifton St,Crumlin village and Greencastle.I witnessed plenty of thugs in Ardoyne wearing Celtic tops during riots,but i would'nt accuse Celtic FC of having anything to do with the trouble there.
Realist in England wrote (300 days ago):
Ulysses32 - you miss the major flaw in s magowan's reasoning. If I went go to a Protestant church and killed someone, but then released an apology, should I be absolved of all blame? It makes no difference if their 'apology' was an apology or not - they still did something that was illegal and should be punished accordingly. Michael H - on the balance of probabilities, I am likely to be a hell of a lot better educated than you (undergrad at Cambridge, a masters and currently undertaking a doctorate). That aside, why should someone's level of education have anything to do with the truth value of what they say? A moron saying 1+1 = 2 is infinitely more correct than a genius saying 1+1 = 3. Resorting to name calling and making unfounded claims about some random person's educational achievements does not add to the force of your arguments; it harms your arguments. I can see a lot of antagonism in this thread, but what Ulysses32 is saying does appear to be more based on fact and less on ad hominem assaults on the other person (with respect to you) or assumptions based on religious/sectarian dogma (with respect to Lorna). That is my uneducated opinion anyway.
Ulysses32 in Belfast wrote (301 days ago):
I'm sorry? What has this thread got to do with Ardoyne? You are right, I do use the word "themuns" quite a lot to illustrate the mentality of the likes of you. You can go address all the republican comments on this webite all you want, Michael H, but when you start posting nonsense, you just make a fool out of yourself. Incidentally, I don't take sides, I am neither a member of "themuns" or "usuns." I express my views on what I feel like. I am not part of a collective. I do not condone violence. I do not specifically hate unionism, or loyalism for that matter as they are specific political views. I do not, however, follow such views and will, from time to time, criticise those views. I will also criticise anything I deem wrong as and when I choose, that includes some of the myopic, retro sectarian nonsense spewed forth by the likes of yourself, Michael H...
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